PHILLIPS: Coming up, tribunals and kill parties. I was extremely scared. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They show the tapes will show he was a racist capable of planting a bloody glove. The court has reviewed each of the 41 uses of the racial epithet in question either by reference to the transcript(s), audio tapes or both. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed - twelve in ten years. HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. This is the confidential personnel version of that report. "[4], In further interviews, Fuhrman made the statements "we had them begging that they'd never be gang members again, begging us" and that he would tell black people "You do what you're told, understand, nigger? He didn't get out. - On stopping black people with no probable cause, 'That's where n****** live.' MORRIS: Yes. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. He now writes true crime books, publishing his first in 1997 -Murder in Brentwood. PHILLIPS: Well, he became infamous. HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. He was angry. Read what the NY Times had to say about this site back in 1995: Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. He said in that interview that he had not told a 'willful lie' on the stand, claiming; 'I never remembered those tapes. I was extremely nervous. Your charges are as follows. ", 'Held her like this - threw the b**** down the stairs - deadbolted the door - Let's play, boys.'. I'm sorry for that. PHILLIPS: Why? So if you use that, you get a lot of laughs from lot of policeman. HART MCKINNY: I was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. HART MCKINNY: First of there we had a brief encounter. HART MCKINNY: No. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. Laura Hart McKinny, her tapes and recordings of Mark Fuhrman saying the "n" word. PHILLIPS: There was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. FUHRMAN: My ass is on the line, because if the media gets a hold of this, although we can say - well, we've been in negotiations for years, months whatever. PHILLIPS: Why? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? PHILLIPS: But infamous is very different from famous. Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' Gerald F. Uelmen, the member of the defense team who passionately argued for admission of 61 tapes and transcripts, rose again Tuesday to urge Ito to return to that question. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. Where were you going? So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those tapes, what were you thinking? So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. But it's really their natural response. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every rank up through captain. More from the infamous tapes you've never heard. How do you plead? We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' We have to be willing to be vulnerable. What did he mean by that? PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. HART MCKINNY: Yet he lied on the stand. Trial Transcripts While this was connected to a known event, only one suspect was treated for minor injuries caused by another officer. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Motions and Court Orders UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of verdict in violation of penal code -- HART MCKINNY: Could have actually helped to make a guilty man go free. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? PHILLIPS: Fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting Diane Sawyer, Oprah, and Larry King. ', He also uses it when discussing his issues with his fellow Americans donating money to other countries, saying; 'You know these people here, we got all this money going to Ethiopia for what. PHILLIPS: So it just empowered you. HART MCKINNY: Yes. Fuhrman first uses the racial slur while complaining about changes in the LAPD, saying; 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? Aired 11p-12mn ET. Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? People there don't want Mexicans in their town. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive.' I think he was being truthful. That the other guys wouldn't talk with him. Then came the one phone call that changed everything. FUHRMAN: I guarantee you every Hitler's birthday there's a celebration behind closed doors. 'They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. But what did the Mark Fuhrman tapes say? Why had he been allowed to behave the way he did for so long and not be held accountable? PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. - On dealing with a suspect, 'Leave that old station. In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. But in his 1997 book, murder in Brentwood, Fuhrman apologized, writing, in my heart I always knew it was wrong, even if I said them only to create a fictional story. I don't know who called. But I don't think he got carried away. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Fuhrman says on the tapes: "I had 66 allegations of brutality.. under cover of authority, assault and battery under cover of authority. MORRIS: He told me I needed to go and dance on soul train. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. Nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. PHILLIPS: So did she want to protect Mark Fuhrman? HART MCKINNY: Missouri scum who should not be allowed in our venerable policeman against policewoman -- PHILLIPS: It became a book. Harrington also publicly responded to Fuhrman's views that female police officers are unfit for police work because of their biological sex. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? FUHRMAN: To peddle this which is absolutely psycho? PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. Yes, sir. PHILLIPS: Who lied on the stand. PHILLIPS: Tribunals. HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. PHILLIPS: And divided our country. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. "Further, there was evidence that the Men Against Women officers would ostracize male officers who did not support their boycott against female officers. HART MCKINNY: I was plummet why? Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in preparation of your testimony today can you tell the jury how many times you counted that he used that word? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared. HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. - On new LAPD regulations, 'Go to Wilshire division. That's all I can do.'. Simpson's house and search the premises. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:23:005] PHILLIPS: By day a ball field, by night an imaginary courtroom. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? Simpson's defense team argued that Fuhrman planted the glove on Simpson's estate following the murder. PARKS: My view was you didn't want to take the chance. Nor would I have a reason to. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman certainly was certainly persona non grata, exposed as a liar and forced to go silent. . And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes: The full transcript of key OJ Simpson detective saying N-word 41 TIMES and detailing racially-motivated violence involving members of LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman. I said I mean you guys actually go to the park after work and just drink beer and then great women? Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . PHILLIPS: Are you glad Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? They are going to say that I planted the glove to be able to sell to peddle this which is absolutely psycho. HART MCKINNY: Yes. HART MCKINNY: So they would hold these late night meetings and figure out how they were going to harass other male officers that were being nice to female officers. HART MCKINNY: Right. PHILLIPS: Then Morris says came a high priority call, burglary in progress. Don't talk to her and they would back away. They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. HART MCKINNY: There was the reality that maybe the tapes had something to do with the jury's verdict and because of that I would be persona non grata in many people's eyes. HART MCKINNY: She didn't know what was on the tapes, but when I said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. It's relevant, germane, material. Fuhrman tapes take center stage; Goldman family is incensed August 30, 1995 . LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police witness in the O.J. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. It's over.' Witnesses who were members of the police force were listed on a spousal conflict form and Captain York was required to review the list and sign off on the fact that she did not have a relationship with any members of the LAPD who would appear at trial. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very pleased. FUHRMAN: Yes. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. [23:45:00] PHILLIPS: But his silence would not protect him. PHILLIPS: Decades later, are you glad you didn't destroy those tapes? And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue. Trial Transcripts PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? These excerpts from the hours of white supremacist and criminal statements made by Detective Fuhrman that were played in Court became known as \"The Fuhrman Tapes\". Kill parties. "[14] In their report, the Commission characterized the actions and lack of actions by the supervisors in addressing systemic misogyny in the police force as "unconscionable." HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. Simpson Murder Trial. There's just no way to do it all. Having found Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet to be relevant and admissible, the court must then analyze each usage under Evidence Code Section 352: "The court may exclude evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the probability that its admission will (a) necessitate undue consumption of time or (b) create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing the issues, or of misleading the jury." It's got to be happening around the country. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. I was trying to do a screenplay. O.J. In addition to his repeated usage of the n-word, Fuhrman also describes a number of racially-motivated attacks which were allegedly committed by members of the LAPD and at one point even talks about using an innocent woman as a human shield - mand then throwing her down the stairs. I feel that often when I'm working. Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . Judge Lance Ito ruled against use of the tape . Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. PHILLIPS: Including what to do about some unexpected advice. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. I couldn't believe it. Was completing this book therapeutic for you after all these decades? As a result, the defense team worked hard to discredit him at the trial, with lawyer F. Lee Bailey hinting through his questions during cross examination that Fuhrman might be a racist who planted the glove at Simpson's home. Four suspects ran into a second-story. They did not however hear what came before that line of the tapes, which was; 'People there don't want n****** in their town. The Fuhrman Tapes (with Transcript) from the O.J. He is very capable of protecting himself. PHILLIPS: But before the recordings there was a relationship. They called themselves MAW -- men against women. Simpson Trial? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Simpson you are charge with the crime of murder. After that you usually get the truth. In the tapes Fuhrman also made many references to the "planting of evidence" and implied that police brutality and evidence planting were common practice in the Los Angeles Police Department. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. They're unable to hold a gun. Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? It was revealed around this time that she had completed her screenplay based on her interviews with Fuhrman, for a film she had decided to call Men Against Women. torture. - On construction of a new police stations, By . PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? I used to practice my kicks.' Excerpts not played in court and never made public until now. HART MCKINNY: Good afternoon Mr. Cochran. Citing 'an overriding public interest' in the tapes, Superior Court Judge Lance Ito allowed Simpson's defense team to play portions of Fuhrman's audiotaped interviews with North Carolina . The defense may present McKinny's testimony as follows: b. Either they get off the street or they are going to have some split-tail for a partner. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. Which I thought he was. PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. And that screenplay she developed with Mark Fuhrman's help? His voice on those tapes could not be erased. HART MCKINNY: I just laughed. Fuhrman was briefly assigned to investigate the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman on June 12, 1994. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. FUHRMAN: If somebody thinks enough of you they'll come up with some type of a name. He didn't belong. The defense contends the tapes portray Fuhrman as a liar - he testified earlier in the trial that he hadn't used the racial slur in the last decade - and show he is capable of planting evidence against Simpson. [23:05:00] HART MCKINNY: Judge who was an acquaintance of mine in L.A. PHILLIPS: Did that surprise you? um. HART MCKINNY: No. their faces were just mush. The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, including uses of the word "nigger," descriptions of police brutality perpetrated on black suspects, misogynist slurs and descriptions of the harassment and intimidation of female Los Angeles police officers by male officers. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . The court finds that each involves Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet in a disparaging manner within the time frame posed by the cross-examination and in contradiction to his testimony before the jury. PHILLIPS: And it was a trial that from the start was clearly about race, in a city with a deep history of racial turmoil.

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