Shed do anything. I go, Oh, thank you for that bit of suggestion.. She lives in Philly and I live in California. Minds dont rest. I think we should be talking about five percent of the time. This is an amazing story. Her memoirs include " The Middle Place," and her first children's. Go get mixed up in something. Yeah. What do we do when the labels were given arent necessarily the ones we choose for ourselves? A phrase that I heard at a recent Pecha Kucha talk from a woman who had come through a terrible health crisis was Its like this now. Thank You for all you do!! Its the only way to keep the last bit of sanity. At a time when so much feels unex Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into. Our family motto: It isnt help unless someone asks for it. They reel and wander and fixate and roll back and reconsider, because its like this, having a mind. It was because I had been selfish, and my dad caught me. I always asked her this when I wondered if I was handsome in any way. When bestselling author Kelly Corrigan experienced the death of her dad and dear friend back-to-back, she couldnt shake the feeling that she wasnt living as gratefully as she wanted to. I think people think that if you have a diagnosis, or somethings happened to you that you should know because youre proof of it. So now if a family member is being difficult or misbehaving, we have established ground rules, So and so is family and we dont sell family! It offers so much grace to us all who are struggling to do better and be better. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, unless youre a monk, and youre meditating for 60 days in a mountain somewhere. Kelly Corrigan Wonders listeners will be familiar with Alexs story as we shared it in the episode A Mother Son Story of the Ultimate Transition and it was also replayed it in the For the Good of the Order feed. Im not sure where the bar is set at in normalcy though. RELATED LINKS Try this episode's happiness practice: 36 Questions for Increasing Closeness Read Kelly Corrigan's new book, Tell Me More Transcript I didnt do it. Kelly Corrigan:Well you know, its so funny. Kelly Corrigan:Have you ever heard that potted plant theory? Forever? Neal Brennan and Kelly Corrigan have a conversation in NYC. Like, Im just an ordinary person, and I make all the mistakes that everybody else makes and maybe even 10% more, and then there she was, and what she would have done for the life that I was kind of rushing through, multitasking my way through day, after day, and you know, sort of feeling snappish, and then catching myself, and feeling like I should be different. The Honor and Weight of of Being a Role Model. Despair defies description. They hate it. The reach of language can be laughable.. I was so mad that I shook the cage a bit, that hamster eating its sibling. Kate Bowler:Getting back to life has been really tricky. Maybe you want to borrow one of Kellys like, Its like this, but youre totally welcome to borrow my familys motto: Dont let the turkeys get you down. Its tried and true. Kelly Corrigan:One that Ive always liked is, Things happen when you leave the house. I think I like the sense of theres something out there that you can tap into. I mean so far, knock on wood, Im getting to see my kids be much, much older than she got to see her kids be. Then I wanted to get right with him, and urgently. Like, Im just an ordinary person, and I make all the mistakes that everybody else makes and maybe even 10% more, and then there she was, and what she would have done for the life that I was kind of rushing through, multitasking my way through day, after day, and you know, sort of feeling snappish, and then catching myself, and feeling like I should be different. Surely, my friend, my lost and lovely friend, called for new words. Mahra:Ive been singing these lines from a song by the Avett Brothers to my kids for years, and it goes like this. If you love the episode, please share and review. And the potted plant theory, I cant credit it to someone, Im sorry, I dont know who put it out there, but the idea is that if you were to have a plant in your kitchen, you might not be aware of it at all, and then if someone were to remove it, youd say What happened to that plant?. Theres a whole world out there happening, and you can step into all kinds of things, and you dont need to know why youre leaving the house. Kelly Corrigan:Im telling you what, man, you can not believe how much I use this, and you can not believe how still it is not my natural instinct. By creating an account, you acknowledge that PBS may share your information with our member stations and our respective service providers, and that you have read and understand the Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. Kelly Corrigan:I never came up with any combination that came close to the feeling. Maybe Wills curious phrase, Its like this, applies here too. Yeah. Kelly Corrigan:Where you can feel the person kind of asking around, snooping just enough, and its not for your sake. Id say that there is definitely such a thing as a questioning Christian. Kelly Corrigan:Now maybe Im going to go to Durham, and now maybe Im going to get my PhD in Divinity. Today, I get a chance to talk to Kelly about some of her very best phrases. Nobody who is between identities they can tolerate does, it seems to me something Ive actively struggled with and expect to go hand to hand with again, whether tomorrow or the day after. Kelly Corrigan:Im telling you what, man, you can not believe how much I use this, and you can not believe how still it is not my natural instinct. I went into this tiny bathroom in Baltimore in our office building, and just cried my eyes out, and it wasnt even because she died. Kelly Corrigan:And thats the truth. Kelly Corrigan:So, I say at the end of this chapter, Shouldnt loss change a person for the better? Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. Thanks for sharing your personal motto. You've just tried to add this show to My List. Just do your best. Maybe I dont have to be good, but I can try to be least a little better then Ive been so far., Riham:Our family motto is Allah Kareem. Maybe Wills curious phrase, Its like this, applies here too. Its all this cumulative effect of a thousand minuscule moments. Ask the dancers, and the athletes, the painters, and musicians. I should not be mad about this. Each episode ends with Kellys shortlist of takeaways, appropriate for refrigerator doors, bulletin boards and notes to your children. So Kelly, welcome. You also realized there was incredible parenting magic in the phrase, Tell me more. So, what is this witchcraft you speak of? Kelly Corrigan:Yeah. So, I really appreciated the way that you framed the bigness and the smallness of it, because it has to be both. Kate Bowler:Those ordinary consonants and vowels that, when strung together, offer meaning and points of entry for others. That kind of belonging is transcendent, and you just feel it pop up in these little moments. Kelly Corrigan:My friend Andy Lotts, who is Lizs husband, told me about it, cause hes a mom now, and so we talk mom talk. Kelly Corrigan:I was perhaps proud about it honestly, and I was reading 7 Habits of Highly Effective People at night with my big fat yellow highlighter, and I was really full of attachment to this identity that I had painted for myself. Tell Me More with Kelly Corrigan is a series that inspires, educates and entertains. Kelly has also agreed to be my friend as part of her contractual commitment to this podcast. Onwards, but you use it so beautifully when youre talking about Lizs family and how they are now. May you find Christ, comfort, and companions amidst the questions! Kelly Corrigan:So, I used to go in there and write, and they have a meditation teacher twice a day at 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM, and at first I was sort of sheepish about availing myself of every single employee benefit, but sure enough, eventually I found myself sitting in there, and this guy was kind of amazing. Is this how you would have cared for my son?, and you end up fixating on all of these tiny little things, and at the same time, so overwhelmed by not being sure if its trivial or tragic. The successes of independent and feminist Marie Antoinette provoke jealousy and rivalry. Yeah. Kilpy P.S. Kelly Corrigan:The magic of Tell me more is you start telling me what youre upset about, and I fall for the first thing you say, and I start solving for that. Kelly Corrigan:I mean, thats where it is. Im so glad youve been plugging in and hope to keep hearing your feedback! Dalai Lama XIV, Cheryl, She had ovarian cancer, so she had fought it for seven years, and it was the kind of thing where I felt like I urgently wanted to deserve my life. Kelly Corrigan:And it wasnt my turn for his attention. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. So, I really appreciated the way that you framed the bigness and the smallness of it, because it has to be both. Kate Bowler:I guess Ill see you soon. Im hearing all the music, Im totally tuned in to the right channel, and then just like that, I slip into those mundane irritants., Kelly Corrigan:And then I catch myself, and then I feel this sense of shame, and he said, Its like this. Its these seemingly trivial moments. A witty, insightful podcast in search of the big "Yes!" The gap between being inspired and entertained just got smaller. Kate Bowler:I need to hear what your motto is. Kelly Corrigan:And so I didnt do it. Thanks for the rebellion and the reminder that we as women take up space, take risks, and even make mistakes! Her teams look to her for direction, but she wanted to see what would happen if she paused more to ask them questions, and found it totally changed her approach to both her work and family life. I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know? Mom, we cant sell family, right? I looked at this sweet-natured adorable little puppy and acquiesced. The result is "Think Twice: Michael Jackson," a 10-part podcast from Audible and Wondery that will be available exclusively on Audible and Amazon Music on Thursday. Kelly Corrigan:You know, that I had lost his favor for a moment, and I was just so ashamed. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. We only book nice people who have a sense of humor and know things worth knowing. Kilpy So, I was wondering, would you mind reading that beautiful passage you wrote about after Liz died? Kelly Corrigan:And then she died, and my dad called, and my dad had nothing but positive things to say to me my entire life, and he said, You should have gone to see your grandmother more. Find me online at @KateCBowler, and Id love to hear what you think of this episode. My son was, of course, distraught and felt the dog was a part of the family and worth the trouble. It just came out whole, and of course, to me its the most important and moving chapter in the book for sure. Kilpy Suddenly, just showing up was in question. Required fields are marked *. Whos going to do this? Its all this cumulative effect of a thousand minuscule moments. Thank you for adding to the number of not-normal, cry-at-the-drop-of-a-hat people in the world. Team Everything Happens. Best, She has been called the voice of her generation and the poet laureate of the ordinary, and she is the most perfect person to talk to to kick us off because her lovely new book is called Tell Me More, and Tell me more is one of those phrases she uses, phrases that she writes about that help guide her through relationships, and parenting, and grief. Society & Culture English You cant live in that. Embed. That sounds really right to me. Kelly mentions the Potted Plant Theory of Parenting. Wondering if youve come across Bahai writings as I find them inspiring in building a circle of friends, a community and help each other grow together. So, Dont eat a hamster is our version of Dont jump to conclusions.. I didnt engage with her. Kate Bowler:Well I think part of it, and this gets to another phrase that you write about which is I dont know, but you and I, it sounds like, have given up on certainties as a way to cope with that, both having been through cancer, and also I think both realizing that people really dont like it when you say, I dont know.. I mean, maybe I was projecting, maybe whatever he said in that moment, maybe if he had said peanut butter, and jelly, wed be talking about peanut butter and jelly, but it totally resonated for me in the way that a song lyric does where youre like, I dont know what that means exactly, but Im going to write that down, and put it in my wallet, and its interesting. Its really wonderful to learn more about you and hear the ways youve connected with Kate and the book. Kelly Corrigan:Hearts dont idle. Hosted by four-time New York Times bestselling author Kelly Corrigan, the show features insightful conversations with notable guests, reflecting on their lives and the impact they can have on their worlds. That sounds really right to me. The Big Short, Moneyball, Liars Poker, these stories stand for whole industries because Michael Lewis puts just the right protagonist in the center. You are everywhere they are., Kelly Corrigan:I really believe that, even though Im skeptical, and Im mad at people who say, Her spirits still here, and stuff. She lives in Philly and I live in California. I was in a big, big rush to get in front of him, and say my apology, and be returned to a state of grace, but the fact is that his mom died. Welcome to Kelly Corrigan Wonders, a place for people who like to laugh while they think and find it useful to look closely at ourselves and our weird ways in the hopes that knowing more and feeling more will help us do more and be better. So, I just really went bananas, because on top of the shirt problem, I went downstairs to clean the kitchen, and I found everybodys bowls, and spoons, and cups, and I had that reaction that so many women have, which is, Well I guess Im the least busy. Many of you listen to Kelly Corrigan who WFS brought to Charlotte in October 2021. Kate Bowler:Getting back to life has been really tricky. Now a cognitive scientist and podcaster, Maya grew up immersed in the . Then I wanted to get right with him, and urgently. Its not in my family. I think part of why your book is so moving is the way that these sayings crystallize these really big truths about who we are, and also how we should love each other. It was because I had been selfish, and my dad caught me. You wrote this book in a season of incredible loss. Today, were sharing this letter which Mary Hope wrote to officially introduce Alex because we find the kindness, transparency and unconditional love in it to be so inspiring. What do we do when the labels we're given aren't necessarily the ones we choose for ourselves? I mean so far, knock on wood, Im getting to see my kids be much, much older than she got to see her kids be. I mean, its a little bit like, Just keep saying yes. You know, When in doubt, say Sure, Ill do that, just to see what happens next, just to see who you might meet. Michael Lewis on What Makes Some People Irreplaceable. And you know, it was so weird, but dying was the easier part of it. Kate Bowler:Thanks so much for doing this. Youre going to slide around, you know, youre going to deserve your life a little more some days than others. In this season of "Tell Me More," listen to one-on-one conversations with musical icons like Jewel and Lang Lang, community leaders like Del Seymour, entertainment heavyweights like Constance Wu and Michael Lewis, scientists like Maya Shankar, and more. Thanks so much for your refreshing, poignant, thought-provoking podcast. Hes just one of those people that you think, God, if I could get five minutes with him, Id just tell him my biggest problem, and hed just say something in seven words that would solve everything., Kelly Corrigan:So, eventually I went up to him, and I said, Im caught between these two worlds, this world where Im full of clarity and insight and gratitude, and Im seeing all the big colors of the world. Youve shared some gems with us. So, I grew up with this sentence with my fathers voice in my head saying, Allah Kareem, God is generous., Cheryl:Our family motto is, Dont eat a hamster. Sadly, our family motto was, Youll pass in a crowd if the crowds big enough. My mothers mother didnt want her to get a swelled head, and she passed that down to us, her four daughters. You cant live in that. In, warm, insightful, often funny conversations, Kate talks with people about what they've. This forgetting, this slide into smallness, this irritability in shame, this disorienting grief Its like this. Surely, my friend, my lost and lovely friend, called for new words. Kelly Corrigan:Like, Oh, well we still have sex, so were definitely not going to get a divorce, or you know, Oh my husband doesnt travel, so then were definitely not gonna get a divorce, or you know, I never smoked cigarettes, so Im definitely not going to get breast cancer. You know, like it wasnt me. Lives dont last. Make the magic happen. You can watch this episode of Tell Me More anytime at pbs.org/kelly.Thank you also to the Lafayette Library and Learning Center. Corrigan, a New York Times bestselling author, gives her Brief But Spectacular take on the power of words. You dont have to bring it all. Kelly Corrigan sits down with Melinda French Gates. He was saddled with depression and anxiety, which led to his trying to make himself feel better and reduce the noise in his head. This beautiful eulogy helps to paint the full picture of Ryland: a unique combination of funny, stubborn, difficult and smart. Kelly Corrigan is a New York Times bestselling author whose first children's book, Hello World, is available now. Kelly Corrigan:My friend Andy Lotts, who is Lizs husband, told me about it, cause hes a mom now, and so we talk mom talk. Mahra:Ive been singing these lines from a song by the Avett Brothers to my kids for years, and it goes like this. Kindly, Weeks later, the missing hamster crawled out from under the stove. So, God is generous was my dads way of promising us a better future. Maybe you want to borrow one of Kellys like, Its like this, but youre totally welcome to borrow my familys motto: Dont let the turkeys get you down. Its tried and true. Thats like total vanity but, especially with the kids, I definitely think, Edward and I both think, If you let us run this out for you, well get it done like one, two, three, and thats so humiliating, and degrading, and just the opposite of self-esteem building, which is sort of like the ground we walk on as adults. A former newspaper columnist and four time bestselling author, Kelly wonders about loads of stuff: is knowing more always good? Just get in the mix, get in the line of fire. We look forward to having you join in on future conversations! This forgetting, this slide into smallness, this irritability in shame, this disorienting grief Its like this. We were living in Damascus, Syria, and whenever one of us asked for something Mom and Dad couldnt afford, Dad would say Allah Kareem. In Arabic, Allah means God. Gratefully, Kelly shares her own "go to" mantra as well as two blessings from frequent Kelly Corrigan Wonders guest Kate Bowler and her co-author/friend/podcast producer Jessica Richie's beautiful and extremely useful book: The Lives We Actually Have (100 Blessings for Imperfect Days). I dont have the genetic predisposition. But the fact is if I said, Tell me more, go on, what else, youd say the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing, and it would be like the thing behind the thing, behind the thing is where really the pain is, and if I had waited way longer, I wouldve been able to say, Oh, I understand.. And then right on the heels of that, I think, What would Liz do for this?. I was also living only maybe 10 miles from my very old grandma who lived alone, and I kept kind of meaning to go visit her, but its a lot easier to show up at work every day at the United Way, and get kind of righteous about all the people who work for money versus the rest of us who are working for the greater good, than it is to go to your grandmas smelly, weird apartment, and have weird conversations with an 88-year old, you know?

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