GROW THE FUCK UP. This authorization was a huge step for future military men with religious beards in the military and specifically those practicing Norse Paganism. Im Retired but never had 12 straight yrs in the Service.. Dioes VA do that?. As a matter of fact, many aren't. They'll gladly gift wrap it, and send it directly to her. Ofcourse, surgical nurses don't have beards, but it wouldn't hurt if they worked in psychiatric units (except for an occasional pull, by a nut). We've been receiving requests for religions beard accommodations for soldiers serving in the Armed Forces. Started where you can have beards, foo man chu mustache, turbins. And I repeat again, I respect the Christians who wish to be Nazarites, regardless of whether they have a beard or not and have been well trained, they will be good soldiers both for the country and for God, all be blessed. The look of the U.S. Army is about to get a facelift. As we all should be aware of, the mustache and its flashiness gave a chest up presentation when presenting yourself to the civilian community .in full dress. We commend their motion to include people from all religions in their grooming standards. BUT YOU DONT AND THEY DONT CARE AT THE COST! It was hanging down seven inches below my chin, then shaved it off in April, but regretted it, so have since been growing it back. When I tried to use my Educational benefits, I was DISAPROVED!!!!! If blacks don't have that privilege, then whites shouldn't either, period, regardless of their religion. After that women wanting to wear dresses instead of the standard uniform. In a hand-to-hand battle, anything the little bastard can grab will put you at a disadvantage!. Now recruiting is in the toilet just as it was when I joined. Now if he is a rear echelon desk jockey then that might be a different matter. He married a woman hed been dating for years, but when she was pregnant with their first child, she left. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Yup, Biden is a frickin idiot! He had to appeal his GI bill as well and they paid it. I THOUGHT IT DIDNT MATTER!!!! I took care of him at home. I FEEL SORRY THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU CHOOSE to have a issue with God i feel for you. The Army earlier this year approved religious accommodations for Sikh soldiers to maintain their beards and turbans. For Di Liscia, a practicing Hasidic Jew who had not shaved for more than two years, it was a choice between his loyalty to the U.S. Navy and his religious faith. Mybe he's gotten a little better. Too many other people at risk for a religious belief or a fashion statement. In 2018, The United States military updated its restrictions to accommodate soldiers who follow religious doctrinal guidelines on dress and grooming. You need to get paid. Women service members should have had relaxed hair styles long ago. It's very distracting and uncomfortable. Yearly suicide prevention training, substance abuse prevention training and resilience training must be done face-to-face, with the optional help of chaplains, legal experts, master resilience trainers or other subject matter experts. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Bad or No Credit? Certain exceptions are made however for those with medical waivers or religion exemptions. He said he researched for six months because he knew if he was wrong on anything, down to the periods at the ends of the sentences, the Army was going to use that as a reason to deny my request. He finally spoke to his unit chaplain about his decision in November 2019. "There is no religious requirement for beards in Heathenry," the post read. I was out for 88 days and decided to return to the Navy, Now, nothing changed, Apparently,you have not met the Taliban, ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabab , or the Proud Boys. I totally agree get him out of office pronto. beard getting caught up in their machine gun? The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. The Space Force also announced progressive new grooming and uniform policies last year. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: U.S. Army to Allow Christian Soldier to Grow Beard, Dylan Mulvaney: God Didn't Make a Mistake With Me. Meanwhile, while STILL on active duty, black soldiers with that issue should be given the same consideration and respect as white soldiers to grow a beard without penalties and discrimination. KEEP VOTING FOR IDIOTS LIKE BIDEN. Airmen will also now have more flexibility to wear specific unit patches while assigned to joint organizations. Many Sikhs wear a turban and do not cut their hair or shave their beards as an outward commitment to their faith. Hopper, like service members who have sought exemptions before, was advised to meet with a chaplain to present his case. he cannot be deployed if the safety equipment he may need cannot be safely used. When he died in June ,10, 2001. Earlier this year, Di Liscia, along with three Muslim sailors, joined in a lawsuit brought by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, alleging the Navys beard policy amounts to a violation of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Over the years, military officers have regularly dealt with requests for religious exemptions to various rules. That was in June 2020. My best friend is gay and he is one of many I would like to have protecting me in a fox hole when I am asleep. NOW HAVE A GOOD DAY, AND WIPE UP YOUR TEARS BABY! You could have at least tried to come up with something more unique. It also could affect Wiccans and others who may obtain tattoos or piercings for religious reasons. The Army and Air Force have allowed beards as a religious accommodation for Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Norse heathen service members who have requested them. I dont care what they do, or what they say, do not stand down. This makes it especially difficult for men who have a beard keeping with religious traditions and requirements. Because the 2017 directive is technically applicable to all religions, final judgement is often left to individual leadership to discern authentic exemption request from insincere. He was getting tired of waiting, so he contacted his local congressional office and asked for their help. The Air Force has granted several airmen permission to wear beards, turbans and the hijab for religious reasons in recent years. I MISS THE SERVICE AND WOULD GO BACK IN TOMORROW if allowed W, but I amnodw 73 and mmy useful nd ess to the military iscgon I did spend almost 20 years as a criterial care Tiscali car Respiratory therapist. Did cross boarder operations in Cambodia. Unlike the religions this exemption was created for, Forn Sidr is not a doctrinal religion and therefore doesnt have any religious laws or requirements regarding the dress, grooming, diet, relationships, or lifestyle of its followers. In 2015, however, the U.S. officially recognized the religion. I want killing machines that never falter nor stray nor betray, and certainly want ones that dont bitch about facial hair or gods. By finding strength, I was able to keep fighting these personal battles of mine., He said his quality of life was improving; he enrolled in school to get a degree in business administration and is planning to finish his bachelors degree this week. Religion should be left out of the workplace. However, they are specifically required to "dress up their hair and beard properly". Now 24 years later, we are right back to the beginning. I made a mistake in my above comment. Di Liscia is one of several sailors and marines who are seeking religious accommodation to wear beards while in uniform. And beadsthey should wear hippie beads too, while holding hands and singing Kumbaya, in between sips of espresso, and bites of biscotti they've dunked into it. There are many religious reasons why people might choose to grow a beard. The first person granted a beard waiver in the U.S. Airforce due to his faith was a Muslim soldier. For years, DiPietro followed the Army standard. Im retired with 23 years service. The flaw in that thinking is that when you do something to endanger yourself, you endanger those around you, especially in firefighting and combat. He is retired, already done his time, he earned the right to his uniform. I am now 80 years old annd have diffiiculty walking because of joint pains.. I just felt utterly compelled that this is what I was being called to do., By Firefighters go through the same thing with their masks. I served 21 years of continus service , but 21 is 21 !!. Get the latest in military news, entertainment and gear in your inbox daily. A soldier serving in Afghanistan with the Nevada Army Guard has been granted a religious accommodation to grow a beard in accordance with a Norse pagan faith that traces its origins to Scandinavia. Now, though, mums the word from internet commenters. But on the same note when you put on any military uniform you are representing the military regardless! Beards don't grow over our eyes, and we don't comb them up on our faces. Doesnt make it wrong or right, just difficult to deal with. He then filed a lawsuit against the Defense Department to gain permission to peacefully follow through with his faith requirements. I'm a retired Army female. pocket mirror tacked to a tree. The already-growing list of religious exemption requests inflated earlier this year when Spc. I guess AFR 35-10 is now ancient history!!!!! They are required to keep it neatly tied in a hairnet or keep it trimmed. Army directive . John Hoskins applied for a beard exemption as part of his proclaimed devotion to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster a faith also known as Pastafarianism., This request is based on my deeply and sincerely held belief in the Pastafarian faith, Hoskins wrote in his request to the Army. It is my personally held belief that growing a beard will bring me closer to my God and bring me into his favor.. U.S. News May 19, 2021 / 3:00 AM Sailors sue U.S. Navy for religious exemption to have beards By Pamela Manson Airman 1st Class Harpreetinder Singh Bajwa is the first active-duty airman permitted. Just because you like transgender does not mean the rest of us have put up with this asinine stupidity!!! I am Army HR and even our civilian guards per regulation ca Furthermore, the arbitrary and capricious forms of creating conformance, even to how one manages their hair, is outdated and doesnt focus on what really matters in public service: performance,he said. The gas masks are made to fit tightly against your face, and they can do that if there is a beard blocking it from a complete seal or a hairbun that does not allow the straps to be pulled tightly. Heres why they shouldnt be. Qat one point became the evening shift supervisor at the U OF I MED CENTER WITH 13ICU UNITS TO LOOK AFTER. Nowadays there are companies turning out beard friendly gas masks. In the military, a soldier doesn't live for himself, but tor the mission. Disrespectful to what the military stands for. She covers operations, policy, personnel, leadership and other issues affecting service members. Abdul Rahman Gaitan in 2018 became the first Muslim. Today the Navy uses positive-pressure gas masks. Thumbs up to our Chefs, First Shirts and brave young officers for making this happen. I told my husband before I am taking care of you .Who will take care of me? And at present there are no government approved gas masks or chemical suits from private makers. As for women, hair hanging down, braids, any thought to the safety hazards that is going to cost? I served as aan Air Force med tex fr 3yrs 4monthe 25days 6bhougrsqd 30 minutes x r p ok roximxately,.. So they either accept the fact that hair buns and beards (with a religious exemption) can be worn but they will not be deployed and if you cant be deployed then you are of no use to the Military and out you go. You should be ashamed to even respond like that!! I knew what I was going to do.. It said hed have to pursue the hair portion of his request separately. This includes Islam, Sikhism, and some Orthodox Christian denominations. (Photo via Sgt. GOOD LUCK @. These Cards Might Be Right for You, 6 Additional States Give Military Retirees a Break on Their Taxes, New VA Policy to Offer Emergency Mental Health Services for Free, Universal Studios Military Discount: Everything You Need to Know. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Once I present my memorandum for record and cite all of the applicable regulations and directives, the focus on the beard tends to go away, for the most part, he said in the release. O.K. It is something new and authorized, and you will always encounter people who do not like change. Examples of waiver-approved religious apparel styles for turbans, from left, hijabs and beards in the U.S. Air Force. Same with firefighters. Non-Sikh personnel are allowed to grow whiskers and mustaches, with the only regulation being that they "will be of moderate length". Beards are still off-limits for airmen, except under certain medical waivers or religious exemptions. The idiots that want to be in the military will soon learn that when he needs to use a chemical protection mask he is a dead man because the mask wont seal. You intimated that if one endangered only himself, go for it. 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Does a mustache or hair make me a better soldier, no, but would help the morale in the services! You are about to delete your comment. How can he avoid lands that are declared unholy and how could a soldier not have anything to do with dead bodies in a military offensive? The in the early 1980s that all went away.. then in the the mid 1990s gang tattoos, face and hand tattoos kept people out. I said, Oh, this is it, DiPietro recounted. rank of Brig. Maybe they don't meet minimum standards for protection. It wasnt a matter of one or the other, so he pushed the issue further. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. I cannot find an UNSUBSCRIBE within this item. According to his lawyers, he was told to either shave his beard voluntarily or be held down by his bunk mate and forcibly shaved. 1st Class Benjamin Hopper, a 34-year-old Alabama native and member of the Nevada Army Guards 3665th Ordnance Company, was granted the waiver following a lengthy review process that concluded with the Armys acknowledgement of his sincerity as a heathen. And if its ok with you; Id like to add to the end of it. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. A religious practice may be an action, behavior, or course of conduct constituting an individual expression of religious beliefs, regardless of whether the practice is compelled by, or central to, the religion concerned.. Agree 100%! That killed the live and chiggers, Angel. Jon Simkins is a writer and editor for Military Times, and a USMC veteran. Unitsf. How is it in 2022 you can actually look at your self in the mirror and acknowledge that you are entirely a narrow minded absolute Biggot. What irks me is they let transgendered in the military period. He joined the Army the same day he turned 18 years old in 2010, about seven years before the service allowed religious exemptions. Your a part time Woke Salior. https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/01/05/new-army-policy-oks-soldiers-to-wear-hijabs-turbans-and-religious-beards/, Copyright 2019 document.write(new Date().getFullYear()); Forn Sidr of America | All Rights Reserved |Privacy Policy, Religious Beard Accommodations in the US Military, Call to Action: Protect Religious Freedom, Official Statement Re: Trademark challenge of Forn Sidr for commercial use, Q & A Interview with Gudellri Alexandra Ravenscroft, Official Statement: Reproductive Rights and Roe v Wade. The Space Force also announced the same expanded mustache policy, along with a more loose tattoo policy. Sgt. The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin, Cathy Brown Vandermaarel, an Army spokeswoman, told Army Times when asked about the decision to deny Hoskins request. They can finish their education while SERVING THEIR COUNTRY! My husband did the same thing but where it kept messing him up was time in service as when you were out it was considered active reserve which goes to time served. So DiPietro threw himself into research, reading and re-reading every applicable Army regulation before he submitted his request. RETIRED CMC USNAVY! No, go with the new and improved give me, give of the now military. Abdul Rahman Gaitan waited four years for official approval. The document was originally issued in 2009 and updated this month. What can I do to do that?. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. DiPietro joined Junior ROTC in high school and enlisted into the Army after graduation as a Shower/Laundry and Clothing Repair Specialist. I would love a nice faux fur, though to be honest I would prefer a shrug over a full coat and in silver as that would help the wonderful highlights I have been getting this last couple of years. Rutner said DiPietros request to wear a beard and uncut hair was being approved and noted that there was no specific hazard identified by allowing it. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Among the virtues beautifully etched in stained-glass in the Australian War Memorial's Tomb of the Unknown Soldier are courage, loyalty, patriotism, common sense, and highest of all self . Spouses of Disabled Veterans and those that are survivors of the disabled Veterans DO have certain medical benefits. How worthless to have their cry baby rooms to go when they get stressed out. Based on Spc. He asked chaplains he knew who worked in the Pentagon if they knew anyone who might be able to do something, to help him move his request forward. RELATED: Sikh American soldiers continue to campaign for right to wear beard, turban. The other policy update, according to the Air Forces press release, is allowing airmen to wear patches worn by Guardians when working in joint units together. And finally, on July 25, he saw a memo in his email inbox signed by Lt. Gen. Gary Brito, the head of Army personnel, approving his request. For the next several years, things were going well, until he returned home from a deployment to Kuwait in 2017 and began going through a really dark time in his personal life. DiPietro, who observes the Nazarite vow from the Old Testament in the Bible, first applied for the religious exemption in November 2019. Some 100,000 soldiers died due to chemical gas during that conflict. I bet all the men who were written about in the Bible had beards. It doesn't have to be long and cave-man-like, as the white guys WILL grow. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our. His chaplain then passed it to the company commander and first sergeant, who DiPietro said were amazing and supported the request. Beards are seen as a sign of religious devotion and commitment, and many military personnel feel that they are a vital part of their religious identity. Went, to Vietnam with the 5th SF, volunteered for. Why the Bible Could Get Banned in Utah Schools, Church Claims Prayer Regrew Woman's Amputated Toes, Is There an Anti-Trans Holy War Brewing? Sgt. If you spouse was a 100% disabled Veteran and past away then the surviving spouse should get half of his disability plus medical coverage under ChampVA. Or maybe the government hasn't gotten around to it yet. You can see what the new tattoo policy is here. The answer came just days later. It won't take up much room in their fifty pound backpacks. Your DNA will show you are either a male or female! Notably the navies of the United Kingdom and Australia allow sailors to wear beards. Do you want to continue? If the beard is trimmed neat n clean whats the problem, its guys like you that keep young men from wanting to serve. The Pentagon announced Wednesday that beards, turbans, religious body art and other previously off-limits manifestations of spiritual devotion can now be allowed throughout the military. Weve been receiving requests for religions beard accommodations for soldiers serving in the Armed Forces. Amy Minckler made the comment that as long as it doesn't endanger anyone but themselves, they should be allowed to have facial hair. I could agree and disagree on this response. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. INCLUDING HI RISK PEDIATRIC FC AND NEONATAL NURSERY Official Statement Re: Religious Beard Accommodations in the US Military. DiPietros request, the interviews with chaplains, coordinating agencies, and the chain of command recommendations, it appears that his request is based on a sincerely held religious belief, Rutners memo said. A soldier wanting such things, or wanting at all is to me a reason to put a bullet in the head of the unruly and dangerous element in a unit that must be devoid of all individuality. Im glad Im out of the military as I cannot stand to see one of the mightiest nations brought to surrender by idiocy and defamatory measures taken by the likes of yourself! Gaitan notes that growing a beard is a constant reminder of our faith and who we are as Muslims (The Prophet Muhammad was said to have a beard, and it has come to signify a closeness with Allah). for many years. If your religion requires you to dress in a manor that restricts your ability to do a particular job or work on certain days, etc. The face needs to be clean shaven so that the mask can make an air-tight seal and prevent smoke, dust, poison gas and radioactive particles from being inhaled. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. it has come to signify a closeness with Allah, follow through with his faith requirements, After Canadas recent acceptance of facial hair in the military, No, You Dont Need To Shave Your Beard Because of Covid-19, Keeping Your Quarantine Beard When Returning to Work. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. The only way youll be successful, he said, is if you know the regulations better than the Army itself., If youre serious about your request, do not give up, DiPietro said. Just let the men grow beards or don't. My personal faith is deeply tied to the modern warrior lifestyle that I have been able to live during my military career, said Hopper, adding that the beard has never hindered his ability to put mission first. Those who claim a medical exemption for razor bumps must now shave periodically to prove they still suffer from the condition, which can in some instances lead to permanent scars. Singh is a Sikh soldier who applied for the facial hair waiver before he was to report to Fort Belvoir. I Retired with 21 years!!! The Coast Guard followed suit, banning them in June 1986, according to the service's historical website. The chaplain corps will work with any military member to aid them in a genuine pursuit of an accommodation, Joint Force State Chaplain Maj. Donald Crandell said. The army didnt allow it for that reason. Why should they thats not a life threatening that is a personal choice what do the rest of us get some of us that deserves disability from service but cant get it but they can get a sex change operation that wasnt caused by the military. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. There is no religious requirement for beards in Heathenry, the post read. He is forced to remove his turban and beard whenever assigned to a ceremonial unit, and to shave his beard when deployed and receiving Hostile Fire Pay or Imminent Danger Pay. A whip on their backs when they forget their place in society, and clear 0 tolerance for them speaking a word or raising a hand against an actual citizen ever in their life even when they are old and grey and kept contained in "homes" to more easily dispose of them when their use has ended.These would do much to improve our military as we need to stop glorifying them and start putting them at the bottom rung of society as the lowest of the low. If you know youre right, the regulations will it may not seem like it but they will protect you. So in real-life situations, there is going to be less than a perfect seal, said Eric Baxter, a lawyer with the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty. In Old Norse practice, having a beard isnt exactly a requirement, but rather a beloved tradition. He is a free man to do whatever he wants to, yes. Got all my benefits without a problem. Meanwhile, the Navy has announced they are lightening the restrictions on beards and will allow retired sailors to sport them while in dress uniform. I served and flew with female Naval Aviators who were outstanding aviators and officers, but they were a definite exception just as ALL Naval Aviators were definite exceptions. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The Navy allowed beards beginning in 1970, only to reverse the policy in the mid-1980s a directive that was soon followed by the Coast Guard. Do we want pretty boys defending us, or manly looking men. Listen to these young people. I had to wear a adoft Hitler mustache for 22 yrs, which looked like crap! POLL: Is the VA Doing a Good Job Taking Care of Vets? Bring it back , now. Published Jul 30, 2021 11:57 AM EDT. This new exception will inspire new recruits to join our military because it ties them a bit closer to the sleek and sharpness of the uniform. And don't forget about office workers, most computer technicians and programmers, and administrative personnel. Somebody has to stay home, and tend the fort. These Cards Might Be Right for You. It was a painful process, but it was less painful than I thought it was going to be, so thats nice, he recalled. Then again flugo, not everyone in the military is in a combat position. Strip them of all that makes them think, or feel, and turn them into the mindless meat machines they should be. Im still a VETERAN that served my Country.that got the SHAFT!! (Sgt. If youre trying to fleece the system because you just dont want to shave, or you just want to grow your hair out, Im telling you now: Its not gonna work.. If I read the above article correctly, the issue is not about the color of one's skin but the religious affliation of that solideryou seem to believe there are no black christiansIf one religious group does'nt have to shave to honor their god (Muslims) than nobody should have to. That went on for months. You must appeal that decision. Whats next? In 2021 the Air Force began allowing female service members to wear their hair in a single braid, double braid, or ponytail that can go down to the bottom of their shoulder blades. There are many religions that allow beards in the military. At the time, he wasnt observing the Nazarite vow like he is today; he just knew he wanted to be a soldier. It used to be honor and resect, proud to wear the uniform. There are plenty of images of firefighter with thick mustaches, but no beards. As a veteran of the Nam era, its long past due time for a new hair and whiskers codes.. While we cannot speak to the specifics of any particular case, religious accommodation can be disapproved if it is determined that the request is not based on a sincerely held religious belief or if the accommodation would create a specific hazard that cannot be reasonably mitigated.. His unit contacted him and asked if he wanted to press the issue further, but it wasnt a matter of if for DiPietro. Clean shaven men must have started with someone who had a distorted view of reality. Additionally, the mustache will not go beyond a horizontal line extending across the corners of the mouth and no more than 1/4 inch beyond a vertical line drawn from the corner of the mouth.. "A religious practice may be an action, behavior, or course of conduct constituting an individual expression of religious beliefs, regardless of whether the practice is compelled by, or central. All rights reserved. "This request is based on . Thank GOD I had commanders with your spirit and laser focus to win, no matter what task given. "In observance of your Heathen, Norse Pagan faith, you may wear a beard, in accordance with Army uniform and grooming standards for soldiers with approved religious accommodations provided in. In 2019, Sgt. They must be holy until the period of their dedication to the Lord is over; they must let their hair grow long, the Bible says. Religious minorities need not be placed in a position of choosing between their faith and public service. You must be related to cousin It, Angel. Many things in the air of a burning building can cause cancer, so breathing that in because you can't or won't shave doesn't make a lot of sense.

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