The sides and the top are lined with stone and 18 stone steps lead down the clear cold water. They had no open road, no horses to carry or haul their luggage - this they loaded on roughly constructed sleds, and did tug those themselves, through a three feet deep snow, which greatly obstructed their progress - their way was through an unbroken forest, where and when the wind was howling its hibernal dirge through leaf-stripped trees, amid falling snow. St Johnsville NY Enterprise genealogy My fathers DNA results are linked to mine and that is how I know it is in fact from his lineage and most likely this line. My dad (kit #A401371) matches your kit #A206179, 7.2 cM on Chromosome 20. A type of pike. Hudson~Mohawk~Schoharie Most of us are still there. This is likely Jacobs mill creek. Daniel married the second time as Daniel Thevoe, a widower of Switzerland, 27 Feb. 1711, to Maria Barbara Kras, wid/o Frans Poore (New York City Reformed Churchbook). Another option is to have your father have his Y-DNA done on Familytree DNA and then he/you can join the Palatine and/or German Y-DNA projects. under 10 Roberta, Unfortunately, Roberta, they apparently only accept Y-DNA and, separately, mtDNA. In 1719, some twenty families of Selwartzenau Taufer arrived at Philadelphia. 129 New York 25 March 1712. . it, or downloading it; this information is copyrighted This would suggest their paternal ancestor was a Mongol invader, but my guess is he probably arrived with the Huns. On the way to the first of three quilt shops, we told him about our travel snafu and the tour we had hoped to take. Thanks for another fabulous blog. These two classes, Newlander and speculators, resorted to diverse arts in order to effect their purposes. Notice they have a separate project for mtDNA. Read the front matter in Jones books, and write to him. Ive uploaded my dads DNA to Ancestry and havent nailed this one down. The tide of emigration from the continent of Europe was strong. The three hundred on the Mississippi were very poor for some years. FYI - The main research resources page is at: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Palatine_Migration_Research_Resources. My Swiss Palatine family, Isaac Hutto (aka Huttow, Otto) didnt come through New York, they came in July 1735 to Charleston, SC on the ship Oliver from Rotterdam as indentured servants all, both parents & their children. By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. Fortunately, we do have a Coble male from Jacob Kobels line, and he matches other Coble males as well. There was no relief of any kind from the government and many people were starving. Average annual salary was $99,533 and median salary was $99,696. I had to pinch myself to believe I was really standing here where my ancestors stood. WebThe following list of Tryon County, New York residents being held by the British was found in the Revolutionary War Rolls in the United States' National Archives by Fort Plank Historian Ken D. Johnson on June 4, 2008. Hunters ration lists on the same site. [1] Three principal sources documenting the identities of individuals involved in this large migration are: (1) The Rotterdam Sailing Lists of 1709 (Holland), (2) The London Census of Palatines of 1709 (England), (3) The Hunter Subsistence Lists 1710-1712 (New York). I cant thank Doris enough! (W), Any how, sorry if I rambled. They started The Old Stoney Creek Church. I am descended from several Palatinate families on my fathers maternal line who settled in the Mohawk Valley, NY: Baum, Seeber (Seibert), who sons were soldiers in the Revolutionary War in the Tryon Militia. They tried to make life as normal as possible. Doris Wheeler If you are a woman interested in testing the direct male line of a Palatine ancestor, please consider whether you have identified a suitable male (father, brother, uncle, etc.) To meet the high demand shipping firms contracted for extra ships. Edenkoben, Palatinate, Bavaria, Germa "Hans Jacob Seltzer was born in 1732 in the Upper Rhine Province, near Coblentz, in the vicinity of the famous Seltzer Springs in Germany. In mid-April, 1710, almost a year after the first migrants had arrived in London, a convoy bearing the 3000 Germans and New Yorks Governor Hunter left England. 66 Mannor of Livingston 24 June 1711. . posted up in alphabetical order. Two thousand were consigned to the grave. ). Things were not going as planned. Our country has whole loads of them and call them gipsies, not knowing the language and seeing their poor clothes., Gypsies were often portrayed in Britain as parasitic intruders who invaded civilized societies while maintaining their own closed and mysterious communities. They are indeed welcome. Theres A LOT of other great historical information besides specific family info. Some of the inhabitants were massacred, others abducted. Hundreds fell victims to the relentlessly cruel savage, along the Blue Mountains, south and north of them and along the Susquehanna, as far north as Penn's Creek, from 1754-1763 and even at a later period. These are wonderful resources. Roberta, Some men joined the British army. The 5-11, 172-pound receiver caught 83 In NY, the Palatines were expected to work for the British authorities, producing naval stores [tar and pitch] for the navy in return for their passage to NY. St.Katherines begins on the other side of the brown building, to the far right in this photo, about half way between me and the bridge. At Goshenhoppen there was a German Reformed church, organized as early as 1717. England became desperate to get rid of this group of people they hadnt wanted nor invited and who couldnt support themselves. Several thousand had embarked for the Silly Islands, a group south-west of England; but never reached their intended destination. Most of my direct ancestors followed Conrad Weiser (Friend and Indian Interpreter for Chief Shikellamy and The Colonial Government). Roberta, thank you for your insightful article concerning my Palatine ancestors and their dreadful experience enroute from Germany to the new world. PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE APPLYING TO JOIN THE PROJECT. Better yet, we discovered that we are cousins!!! Compiled from the records in London and Presented to the descendants of the In 1732 one hundred and seventy persons were transported. The descendants of these Germans reside in different parts of the State. There were books and papers dispersed in the Palatinate, with the Queen's picture on the books, and the title page in letters of gold, which, on that account, were called, 'The Golden Book', to encourage the Palatines to come to England, in order to be sent to the Carolinas, or to other of Her Majesty's colonies, to be settle there. Some of the German-speaking people that came to North America did not come directly. Their first child, Maria Anna Devoe was born about 1700 in the Palatinate on the Rhine. Rather than being fit objects of charity, they had become, in the words of an anonymous pamphleteer, a parcel of vagabonds, who might have lied comfortably enough in their native country, had not the laziness of their dispositions and the report of our well-known generosity drawn them out of it.. We had to find a different hotel. ), For a couple of contemporary articles about this 1735 fire, see Purysburgh in 1747, contained more than one hundred houses tolerably well built. They eventually settled in the Schoharie area. follows names and sums of money to cash). Early Weidner families who arrived in Pennsylvania in the 1700s, Kusel (Pfalz, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany) Families, Swamp Lutheran Church burials, baptisms, marriages 18th century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_(region). Here the time and again persecuted and oppressed Swiss, separated from friends and much that makes life agreeable, hoped to unmolested begin anew. In 1723, some thirty-three Palatine families, dissatisfied under Governor Hunter's rule, migrated from that you are working on and that may lead you to further discoveries. Interestingly, even though he was an ordained minister, he was not allowed by the colonial government to provide religious services to the Germans, but he and the other pastor did provide what we would consider today to be social service. I have since added another 5 generations to this previous brick wall based on information that began with her kind note and information that she included. Those families charged with small sums were sent Winter, On my fathers side my grandmothers parents were mostly derived from Palatine immigrants. This man is either listed as "Hoff" or "Hussmann" on the Hunter Subsistence Lists in 1710 and 1712. This devotedly pious band of Christians was accompanied by their attached pastors, the Rev'd John Martin Boltzius and Israel Christian Gronau, and an excellent schoolmaster, Christian Ortman. If you think your ancestor was a Palatinate Refugee or family member then please add them or make contact. I may speak to my Lasher and Finkle cousins to see if any of them are interested. side of Hudsons River. This map belowshows the area to be destroyed to build the docks. In 1709 several hundred Palatine families settled in Ireland. I should have it in a few days. This morning I heard from Nan Dixon, the author of Palatine Roots. She has a couple of copies left and will sell me one. Katharine Docks and The Dickens Inn on the current map above, in the lower righthand quadrant. 2008 - 2023 INTERESTING.COM, INC. I like to think that some favor I paid forward just got paid back. It is called the International German Genealogy Partnership. Many switched from Catholicism to Protestantism in the New World.[3]. WebGovernor Hunter's Ration Lists June, 1710 to September, 1714 Compiled from the records in London and Presented to the descendants of the Palatines by BOYD EHLE. The rest lived off of English generosity and the Queen. Mannor of Livingston 31 December 1710. The old ship ties still exist at St. Katherines docks. Im zeroing in on precise timeframes and locations in my search for Gertrudes family. Leave a message for others who see this profile. My Gedmatch ID is A206179; my sisters is M712835. I believe that I have a relative among this group. Prior to 1770, the wilderness of Pennsylvania was penetrated beyond the Allegheny Mountains. Bremen, a village in the same county, and Frankfort, in Waldo county, were undoubtedly laid out, or settled by Germans, as the names would indicate. 117. p. Contact the Profile Managers privately: Public Comments: I had Simmons and other lines arrive with them. Cowboys agreed to terms with undrafted rookie WR Jalen Moreno-Cropper from Fresno State, person familiar with deal said. Ive found that the definitive genealogical work for our 1710s (when many arrived in the American Colonies) is The Palatine Families of New York: a study of the German immigrants who arrived in colonial New York in 1710, Henry Z. Jones There was also a German settlement at a place known as Hall Mill, which is some thiry miles from Philadelphia. Thanks for the DNA ideas; Ill have to check them out. They had been reduced to the most extreme poverty. April 20, 2023, 3:36 PM PDT. Google maps shows the area of St. Katherinesto be roughly 1000 feet by about 700 feet. .from 5th October 1710 at New York to I met the author at a conferencee soon after she published it. He and his family arrived in England in May 1709 Arriving in England, they were camped on Blackheath. . Limerick Southwell had retained only 10 families but by 1714 he had settled about 130 families on his lands, and the region around his demesne has retained the largest concentration of Irish Palatine residents to this day in Killeheen, Ballingrane, and Courtmatrix., There is an Irish Palatine Genealogy group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688860294729114/ 2,600 Palatines, driven from their homes by the ravages of two wars and religious persecution ( the Palatinate is along the Rhine river ), arrived at Nutten Island ( Governors Island ). Persons who have lately visited them say, "They are the most wealthy and prosperous farmers in the county of Limerick." I have a Palatine family Everett that stayed in Limerick, Ireland for 100 years and then moved to Australia. Roberta, you may already have this knowledge in your impressive arsenal, but having lived in Switzerland for 10 years, I can say with some confidence that Egli is a Swiss name. Now all they could do was to wait forthe queento determine their fate. With the help of the hotel, we were able to do so, but it took a couple of hours that we didnt have to spend. It turns out my only Muller ancestor was another Palatine. desire for a more complete list of those Palatine emigrants who settled in A large number of Irish Palatines subsequently migrated to Ontario, Canada. Between forty and fifty thousand left their native country "their hearths where soft affections dwell." . The vines froze and put thousands of people out of work including Daniel. By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. A These follow will find reason to be grateful for the thoughtfulness of Mr. Ehle The widowed women, sickly men and orphaned children remained in New York. Over the following three years, more than two thirds of the Irish Palatine settlers left Ireland [Note from me: reluctant to pay rent, angered by landlords and reception of some R.C. You can see the neighborhood to the right of the tower, both above and below. Roberta spoke to a PalAm meeting in Germantown, NY some years ago, soon after I founded that project. His findings, which include beautiful photographs of the villages where immigrants originated, and the old churches where they worshipped, have been published: Jones shares the following strategies, learned from experience, for genealogists who wish to trace the German origins of Colonial Americans: Many of these families appear in Reformed and Lutheran church books in New York. Would love to work with you on further exploration of our cousins. April 20, 2023, 3:36 PM PDT. The colony still continued to increase. WebPalatine Immigrant Index 1985-1995; Palatine Immigrant Index 1996-2017; Palatine Immigrant Index 2018-2021; Resources. 1998, -- 2003. Documentary of age and 4d per diem for children under 10 years. up to the Settlement last fall, others with large sums were subsisted at New Also contact Germantown, Columbia County and Schoharie societies. 1712 He was born about 1665 and probably in the village of Missy, Canton of Vaud, Switzerland. He was documented as being a miller in the US as well. . Limerick, with extensive displays of artifacts, photographs, etc. Map of Major Palatine My late cousin Brenda and I did a lot of research on our 1709ers, which includes half a dozen sets of great-grands. In 1734, Pury brought two hundred and seventy persons more from Switzerland. Palatines hereafter named for themselves and their families Subsistence, Debtors Embarkation Lists to England, 2nd to 6th Sailings. Mohawk Valley They however, changed their minds and established themselves in the asylum for the oppressed, Pennsylvania. My mother is T167724 and she clearly carries more Schaeffer DNA than I do. Similar heading 4 days 1st July to this day. WebJohann Adam Haus, Year: 1709. the WebThe Hunter Hunted is a quest in Seeker, Slayer, Survivor. I too descend from many Palatines. Many of these men were assigned so-called Hunter List numbers when they arrived in New York State. With all of the frustration and disappointment, I just wanted to cry. This list was found in the Public Record Office, C.O. The Poor Palatines as they came to be called were some 13,000 Germans whoarrived inEngland between May and November 1709 in response to a false rumor that the Queen was giving free land in America. From 1735, settlements in Pennsylvania multiplied rapidly; extended over vast regions, west of the Susquehanna, whither the Scotch-Irish had led the way. This ancient Fitzgerald castle has been completely restored and is occupied by the O'Driscoll family. They moved some miles further up the river where they soon drove well. Bruce, I hope youre aware of the Palatine DNA Project at FTDNA. Did you ever get farther back than Melchor? From this area on the Thames near St. Katherines, you can see Tower Bridge, locatedbeside the Tower of London. 437-438 of The Palatine Families of New York 1710, pub. Typhus continued to decimate the emigrants. I would suggest that you go to GEDmatch.com, a free DNA genealogy comparison site, register and then use the File Upload link to copy your Ancestry results to GEDmatch. Johan and Catherine were married in 1710, about a year after Catherines first husband, George Mueller, died on the boat trip. 1709ers. http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html. Its somehow a supreme irony that the former poorest area, the waterfront tenement slums, are now the posh area. For example, the entry Abelman, Johann Peter 2-I, 2-0. I rather suspect by the time the family left Germany they had long forgotten their Asian origins. Ten thousand died for want of sustenance, medical attendance, and from other causes. His parents were Johan Nicholas Schaeffer and Maria Katherine Suder from Relsburg, Germany. 1994. The Subsistence Lists. (E) Mannor of Livinsgton 25 March 1712. . Also, the book are looking for was published not long ago. C. E. Historians She published the list in an Appendix to: Frank Diffenderffer extensively documented the origins, reasons for leaving, escape routes and living conditions of these Palatine refugees throughout their journey: O'Neill and Hatcher prepared a study of the 1709ers who settled in Ulster County, see Ulster County, New York Immigration. This was a big one. This gives a wonderful historical background to what they endured. Or browse general columns by searching Queen Anne received them in England and sent some to Ireland to the estates of sympathetic Protestant landlords. Thanks to DNA testing, I discovered only about a year ago that my dad was adopted.:-(. Palatine DNA Project. Location Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. The Queen also bestowed upon Kocherthal five hundred acres as a glebe (transcriber's note: glebe is a plot of land belonging or yielding profit to an English parish church) for the Lutheran church. Although 6 notations are given in the journal, only two are given here, 1710 and 1712. Im offering a Y DNA testing scholarship for a male carrying the surname and descending from these various 1709er family lines. P. for 84 days from 1 January 1711. p. They were forced to subsist on unhealthy food. I am not convinced that he was Catholic. Evidently Marianne, Daniels wife, was one of those who did not survive. after my name and ended up in Canada. There were also many Germans residing in Savannah; besides some forty of fifty Moravians in the same state under the pastoral care for the Rev. He was a vinedresser and left Switzerland to work in the vineyards of the Rhine Valley. I dont think his origins have ever been found in Germany, so I would be willing to pay for one test for a continuous male line descendant so we can make the project more meaningful. So when Queen Anne of England sent a fleet of three ships up the Rhine, with promises to save them, Daniels family was on the first ship. Its a lovely convoluted puzzle theyve given us to solve. p. Indeed,Doris was correct, and she pointed me towards Jacob Kobel and his wife, Anna Maria. The first name of Simons father is unknown, but the family had been living there since at least 1702. He was still there in 1691, when he was a witness to a marriage in that village. No census of this camp has I have followed them and subsequent generations. - North Dakota State FB Hunter Luepke - per NFL Network - Mississippi State OLB Tyrus Wheat - per NFL Network, which adds it's a "deal that includes a $20,000 signing In 1719, Jonathan Dickinson remarked; "We are daily expecting ships from London, which bring over Palatines, in number about six or seven thousand. Their second child, Abraham, was born about 1702/03 probably in that same location. p. 1718 My wife and I visited Hinterwald, Hessen-Darmstadt Germany to view his home town. Dickinson, the Michigan star who entered the transfer portal last month, will visit Villanova His books, which are available for purchase and widely held by libraries, include: There are numerous published books -- dating from the early 1800s through the day before yesterday -- that present the genealogy of a particular family. WebEleven or twelve ships sailed from London in 1710, carrying about 3200 Palatine immigrants to New York. Sounds like a heart attack or stroke as it was in the middle of August when he died & we know how hot it gets in SC in that time of year. WebAnspach, Arendorff, Barthel, Baest, Batzin, Bauch, Bell, Bellinger, Bender, Berg, Bergman, Bernhardt, Betzer, Bierman, Blass, Bonenstiehl, Bonroth, Borst, Brack, Braun, Briegel, Bruchle, Buck, Burckardt, Busch, Clevenius, Conrad, Dachstatter, Dahles, Daether, Deuchert, Dill, Dillenbachin, Dings, Donsbach, Dopff, Dorn, Dreschler, Drumbaur, Drumm, The first 900 people were given housing, food and supplies by a number of wealthy Englishmen. The next question I had for her was what was that? The answer came in the form of a Wiki article and a couple of books, the best of which was Becoming German: The 1709 Palatine Migration to New York by Philip Otterness, a history professor at Warren Wilson College. The departure of deputies John Conrad Weiser, William Scheff and Gerhart Walrath had to be by stealth. Expectations were for 1738 to see even larger numbers of emigrants. He came from the Palatinate to Pennsylvania, then to Maryland, and about 1783 to Rockingham Co., Virginia. On the old map, this would have been just in front of the St. Catherines church a place certainly familiar to the 1709ers who were assuredly praying daily for deliverance of some sort. The first went to Ireland, the second to Carolina and the third to New York with the new Governor, Robert Hunter. Hereafter, the influent accession from the European continent steadily increased, so much so, as to excite attention, and create no small degree of alarm of the "fearful of the day".

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